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OH Issue 1 - Elevating the Standards to Qualify For and to Pass any Constitutional Amendment
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Office | Constitutional Amendment |
Honorific | Constitutional Amendment - Abbr: |
Type | Referendum |
Filing Deadline | May 01, 2023 - 04:00pm Central |
Polls Open | August 08, 2023 - 06:00am Central |
Polls Close | August 08, 2023 - 06:30pm Central |
Term Start | August 09, 2023 - 12:00pm |
Term End | December 31, 3999 - 12:00pm |
Turnout |
38.33% Registered
25.93% Total Population
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Contributor | Max Rohtbart |
Last Modified | Mr. Matt October 14, 2024 03:20pm |
Data Sources | [Link]
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Would increase the requirement to pass constitutional amendment from a majority to 60%
Issue 1
Proposed Constitutional Amendment
ELEVATING THE STANDARDS TO QUALIFY FOR AN INITIATED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND TO PASS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
Proposed by Joint Resolution of the General Assembly
To amend Sections 1b, le, and 1g of Article IT and Sections 1 and 3 of Article XVI of the Constitution of the State of Ohio
A majority yes vote is necessary for the amendment to pass.
The proposed amendment would:
Require that any proposed amendment to the Constitution of the State of Ohio receive the approval of at least 60 percent of eligible voters voting on the proposed amendment.
Require that any initiative petition filed on or after January 1, 2024 with the Secretary of State proposing to amend the Constitution of the State of Ohio be signed by at least five percent of the electors of each county based on the total vote in the county for governor in the last preceding election.
Specify that additional signatures may not be added to an initiative petition proposing to amend the Constitution of the State of Ohio that is filed with the Secretary of State on or after January 1, 2024 proposing to amend the Constitution of the State of Ohio.
If passed, the amendment will be effective immediately.
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Joker:9757 | BrentinCO ( 7748.4790 points)
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Sun, July 16, 2023 03:39:42 AM UTC0:00
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Well, not exactly what I expected. But essentially rather than waiting for the next election, they created an election day to game the system.
I don't think constitutional amendments should pass by simple majority. Most states require a higher threshold for constitutional matters vs. simple referendum. I'm also pro-life.
Still I hate even more trying to game the system for political outcomes - taking advantage of people not voting on a non standard election day during summer holidays.
Well, not exactly what I expected. But essentially rather than waiting for the next election, they created an election day to game the system.
I don't think constitutional amendments should pass by simple majority. Most states require a higher threshold for constitutional matters vs. simple referendum. I'm also pro-life.
Still I hate even more trying to game the system for political outcomes - taking advantage of people not voting on a non standard election day during summer holidays.
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D:1 | RP ( 5508.0200 points)
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Sun, July 16, 2023 03:40:33 AM UTC0:00
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Plus, they were hoping that there would be low turnout be having it on an unusual day. Looks like that's not happening though.
Plus, they were hoping that there would be low turnout be having it on an unusual day. Looks like that's not happening though.
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D:10973 | Patrick ( -4.3845 points)
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Sun, July 16, 2023 07:40:07 PM UTC0:00
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Also, since the OH GOP isn't even confident of their constitutional positions hitting 40% in statewide elections, they also added a provision to this requiring ballot petitions to contain 5% of eligible voters in each County.
Also, since the OH GOP isn't even confident of their constitutional positions hitting 40% in statewide elections, they also added a provision to this requiring ballot petitions to contain 5% of eligible voters in each County.
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D:7 | CA Pol Junkie ( 4953.9048 points)
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Fri, July 21, 2023 12:10:45 AM UTC0:00
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Suffolk is just one poll but the result isn't surprising. Between motivated pro-choice voters (see: MI, KS etc.) and voters who just don't want the legislature taking power away from them, there is every reason to believe this measure will go down in flames.
Suffolk is just one poll but the result isn't surprising. Between motivated pro-choice voters (see: MI, KS etc.) and voters who just don't want the legislature taking power away from them, there is every reason to believe this measure will go down in flames.
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I was initially an undecided voter on this. (Typical Ohio Voter, lol) Even leaning Yes at one point as I do think on principle 50%+1 does seem a bit too easy to amend the constitution.
But, there seems like there is a lot of politicizing of the issues like abortion tied into this and the new signature requirements seem a bit too much.
I'm voting No.
I was initially an undecided voter on this. (Typical Ohio Voter, lol) Even leaning Yes at one point as I do think on principle 50%+1 does seem a bit too easy to amend the constitution.
But, there seems like there is a lot of politicizing of the issues like abortion tied into this and the new signature requirements seem a bit too much.
I'm voting No.
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I:6738 | IndyGeorgia ( 4113.6006 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 12:57:26 AM UTC0:00
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If I recall, Ohio is a “blue mirage” state (early votes counted first), correct? Not saying “No” won’t win, just that the race will tighten.
If I recall, Ohio is a “blue mirage” state (early votes counted first), correct? Not saying “No” won’t win, just that the race will tighten.
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I:6738 | IndyGeorgia ( 4113.6006 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 01:12:41 AM UTC0:00
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Wasserman called it.
Wasserman called it.
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BEER:10271 | WSNJ ( 452.9941 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 03:33:59 AM UTC0:00
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I see a lot of people saying this is yet another Biden era GOP loss but can we really classify it as that? I'm certainly all for trashing the GOPs current leadership, but if you ask me this is just more of an unpopular amendment not passing
I see a lot of people saying this is yet another Biden era GOP loss but can we really classify it as that? I'm certainly all for trashing the GOPs current leadership, but if you ask me this is just more of an unpopular amendment not passing
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D:7 | CA Pol Junkie ( 4953.9048 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 04:01:08 AM UTC0:00
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I see a lot of people saying this is yet another Biden era GOP loss but can we really classify it as that?
It's a loss for the anti-abortion movement to which the GOP is anchored.
WSNJ: I see a lot of people saying this is yet another Biden era GOP loss but can we really classify it as that?
It's a loss for the anti-abortion movement to which the GOP is anchored.
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D:6149 | Campari_007 ( 1066.4170 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 06:38:28 AM UTC0:00
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Republicans got their wish on Abortion and they're going to wish they hadn't.
Republicans got their wish on Abortion and they're going to wish they hadn't.
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Joker:9757 | BrentinCO ( 7748.4790 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 06:37:52 PM UTC0:00
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I don't see this result as solely determined by the abortion issue. Although no doubt many voters on the center-left voted NO because of the implication on the November Abortion referendum vote.
I think there were a number of independents and probably even some Republicans that voted NO not on abortion but on the effort to rig the democratic outcome by holding this vote during the summer - a non traditional election day when no other races were held.
I'm pro-life and actually agree that constitutional changes should have a higher bar than 50% + 1. Still, I would have voted NO because I feel it was shady the way Republican leadership did an end-run around the normal election day where things like this should be decided.
Separate from my beliefs, there are typically a large number of center right voters that vote NO on these type of measures anyway because they see it as a defense against big government.
I do not expect the November referendum to pass or fail by this same margin. This vote is predictive of some peoples voting intentions, but not all.
I don't see this result as solely determined by the abortion issue. Although no doubt many voters on the center-left voted NO because of the implication on the November Abortion referendum vote.
I think there were a number of independents and probably even some Republicans that voted NO not on abortion but on the effort to rig the democratic outcome by holding this vote during the summer - a non traditional election day when no other races were held.
I'm pro-life and actually agree that constitutional changes should have a higher bar than 50% + 1. Still, I would have voted NO because I feel it was shady the way Republican leadership did an end-run around the normal election day where things like this should be decided.
Separate from my beliefs, there are typically a large number of center right voters that vote NO on these type of measures anyway because they see it as a defense against big government.
I do not expect the November referendum to pass or fail by this same margin. This vote is predictive of some peoples voting intentions, but not all.
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D:7 | CA Pol Junkie ( 4953.9048 points)
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Wed, August 9, 2023 08:47:38 PM UTC0:00
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I don't see this result as solely determined by the abortion issue. Although no doubt many voters on the center-left voted NO because of the implication on the November Abortion referendum vote.
I think there were a number of independents and probably even some Republicans that voted NO not on abortion but on the effort to rig the democratic outcome by holding this vote during the summer - a non traditional election day when no other races were held.
Setting aside relative turnout rates of the Yes / No sides, I agree that the result of the abortion referendum itself should be marginally closer, but the turnout for this measure was more than half of the 2020 general election so I think the political nerd caucus was overwhelmed by people voting on abortion.
BrentinCO: I don't see this result as solely determined by the abortion issue. Although no doubt many voters on the center-left voted NO because of the implication on the November Abortion referendum vote.
I think there were a number of independents and probably even some Republicans that voted NO not on abortion but on the effort to rig the democratic outcome by holding this vote during the summer - a non traditional election day when no other races were held.
Setting aside relative turnout rates of the Yes / No sides, I agree that the result of the abortion referendum itself should be marginally closer, but the turnout for this measure was more than half of the 2020 general election so I think the political nerd caucus was overwhelmed by people voting on abortion.
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