So, when it's racism against Arabs and Palestinians there's a statute of limitations on when we can call it out? And if he truly regretted his statements: why did Shapiro not apologize for the comments back in 2004 when he ran for the State House. Or in 2016 when he ran for Attorney General? Or in 2022 when he ran for Governor? OR NOW? Why is he only talking about them (NOT APOLOGIZING) only when he is on the cusp of getting a silver platter to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2032? Its so weird that racism against Arabic and Palestinian people is just being seen as OK. Hot take: racism is bad

1. I never said that only racism against Arabas and Palestinians cannot be called out. I said ANYTHING stupid, meaning racism towards ANYBODY, whether it be against Jews, Arabs, African Americans, Latinos, Caucasians. ANYBODY. PERIOD. Which is why you are defending him from literally saying extremely racist things towards Arabs and Palestinians. 2. Literally nothing you responded had anything to do with what I said. I never said Shapiro apologized. I only said that if we all held people to something stupid they said or did when they were below drinking age none of us would be eligible to run for office, or do anything for that matter. There's not one person who did not say or do anything stupid when they were that age. This goes for ANYBODY, no matter there stance on the Israel/Palestine issue. I would be saying the exact same thing if a pro-Palestine politician got attacked for something they wrote against Israel when they were young, too. You kinda just proved my point "I NEVER SAID SHAPIRO APOLOGIZED FOR HIS RACISM!"....ok....then why the fuck should a racist be VP? He has done nothing to indicate he has changed he's only addressing these comments NOW because they are politically unviable, not based on any change on his part. And that is a very vague statement "I would be saying the exact same thing if a pro-Palestine politician got attacked for something they wrote against Israel when they were young, too". Like even if the politician was saying that "jEwS rUn ThE wOrLd" or "6,000,000 mOrE lIkE 6,000" or are you going to include statements like "Israel is an Apartheid state" or "Israel is committing a Genocide in Gaza" in that camp?

Also I'm pretty sure some of the other VP contenders have some sort of skeletons in their closet....no politician is perfect.

@ZT08: I'd recommend you stop wasting your time and engaging with E Pluribus Unum. We all know the reason they dislike (((Shapiro))).

1. Again, he said this over 20 years ago. When he was a young college kid. If he was saying this now or even more recently I would be condemning him. Besides, he may have forgotten about it. It was 20 years ago. I don't remember every single essay or comment I have ever made. Saying that he can't remember specific racist comments he made is a lil sus but you seem to overlook the fact that since Shapiro has not apologized or even addressed these comments until recently, I cannot in good faith wipe away them to "oh it was so long ago" because the policies he pushes for and advocates for now do not contradict those previous stances at all. If Shapiro was now waving the Palestinian flag and demanding an end to the Apartheid state, then maybe I can say that he has changed, but where is the change? 2. I would defend the politician regardless of what they written as long as it was written when they were young. If they meant it now, I would condemn them. The last 2 statements you mentioned are mainstream amongst pro-Palestinians and are not even remotely anti-semitic, so I wouldn't even condemn them saying those things. I may disagree, but it's not antisemitic to say that there is a genocide in Gaza nor is it antisemitic to say that Israel's policies towards Palestinians draw parallels to apartheid. Now if they were saying the first two statements NOW I would absolutely be condemning them, just as I would be condemning Shapiro now if he were to be saying what he written then now. But if they written it some 20 years ago, it wouldn't be a big deal. As we all age, we learn from our mistakes. Call me naive, but I don't think Shapiro still holds those views. Just like I wouldn't believe a pro-Palestine politician would still hold those views about Jews. Why should I give him the benefit of the doubt that he has changed? Exactly what about Shapiros policies and advocacy should give me any remote indication he has changed? When he was a lowly Board of commissioners he can talk ALL DAY LONG about hoe Netanyahu openly rejecting a UN proposal to stop occupying Palestine, BUT THE SECOND HE IS ON THE NATIONAL STAGE: all of a sudden he hates Netanyahu. When he was a Governor only focused on PA, he could support Republican bills to take $100,000,000 from Public Schools to fund Private Schools, BUT THE SECOND HE'S ON THE NATIONAL STAGE: all of a sudden he is a staunch supporter of the Public School system. “The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.” Also I'm pretty sure some of the other VP contenders have some sort of skeletons in their closet....no politician is perfect. Again, when Beshear and Walz write papers openly being racist to Palestinians, let me know. Otherwise, NOT COMPARABLE

@ZT08: I'd recommend you stop wasting your time and engaging with E Pluribus Unum. We all know the reason they dislike (((Shapiro))). ^That Statement above is what those in the legal business call^ LIBEL: a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. -I enthusiastically backed Bernie Sanders for President in 2016 and 2020 -I enthusiastically backed Claudia Sheinbaum's bid to be Mexican President in 2024 -In the 2022 Michigan House District 11 Race I enthusiastically backed Andy Levin -My stances on the Israel Palestine Conflict come directly from Jewish thinkers in the past and present (Meyer London, Ofer Cassif) -I have used my platform to EXPLICITLY DENOUNCE Antisemitism even from the "ALLEGED LEFT" in no uncertain terms, which I have shared here a plenty I am the one who can see Josh as more than his religion or ethnicity I find it sad that users like mg2685a and Kyle still struggle with that. Its the 21st Century guys c'mon.....

1. Again, he said this over 20 years ago. When he was a young college kid. If he was saying this now or even more recently I would be condemning him. Besides, he may have forgotten about it. It was 20 years ago. I don't remember every single essay or comment I have ever made. Saying that he can't remember specific racist comments he made is a lil sus but you seem to overlook the fact that since Shapiro has not apologized or even addressed these comments until recently, I cannot in good faith wipe away them to "oh it was so long ago" because the policies he pushes for and advocates for now do not contradict those previous stances at all. If Shapiro was now waving the Palestinian flag and demanding an end to the Apartheid state, then maybe I can say that he has changed, but where is the change? 2. I would defend the politician regardless of what they written as long as it was written when they were young. If they meant it now, I would condemn them. The last 2 statements you mentioned are mainstream amongst pro-Palestinians and are not even remotely anti-semitic, so I wouldn't even condemn them saying those things. I may disagree, but it's not antisemitic to say that there is a genocide in Gaza nor is it antisemitic to say that Israel's policies towards Palestinians draw parallels to apartheid. Now if they were saying the first two statements NOW I would absolutely be condemning them, just as I would be condemning Shapiro now if he were to be saying what he written then now. But if they written it some 20 years ago, it wouldn't be a big deal. As we all age, we learn from our mistakes. Call me naive, but I don't think Shapiro still holds those views. Just like I wouldn't believe a pro-Palestine politician would still hold those views about Jews. Why should I give him the benefit of the doubt that he has changed? Exactly what about Shapiros policies and advocacy should give me any remote indication he has changed? When he was a lowly Board of commissioners he can talk ALL DAY LONG about hoe Netanyahu openly rejecting a UN proposal to stop occupying Palestine, BUT THE SECOND HE IS ON THE NATIONAL STAGE: all of a sudden he hates Netanyahu. When he was a Governor only focused on PA, he could support Republican bills to take $100,000,000 from Public Schools to fund Private Schools, BUT THE SECOND HE'S ON THE NATIONAL STAGE: all of a sudden he is a staunch supporter of the Public School system. “The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.” Also I'm pretty sure some of the other VP contenders have some sort of skeletons in their closet....no politician is perfect. Again, when Beshear and Walz write papers openly being racist to Palestinians, let me know. Otherwise, NOT COMPARABLE 1. His pro-school choice stance actually resonates with the majority of Americans. I'm a Democrat and I'm personally in favor of school choice. Also I don't even know why we're now on school choice when we were just discussing Israel/Palestine. And just because he is pro-Israel and he sympathizes with his homeland does not make him racist against Arabs. Just like sympathizing with Palestine does not make you pro-Hamas. You yourself denounced this tactic a while ago. Or perhaps u just said that to virtue signal to claim a moral high ground and dismiss actual discussion. The war hawks favorite tool: -U oppose US invading Iraq, what are u pro-Sadam? -U oppose US droning Civilians, what are u pro-terrorist? -U oppose Isreal Committing a Genocide in Palestine, what are u Pro-Hamas? Yet you yourself are now using this same exact "tool" by saying that just because he is pro-Israel he hates Arabs. 2. Beshear and Walz don't necessarily have to say or do the exact same thing Shapiro did. I'm just saying in general. They probably have some sort of skeleton in their closet. It's just a little coincidental that only Shapiro's skeletons get found.....@ZT08: I'd recommend you stop wasting your time and engaging with E Pluribus Unum. We all know the reason they dislike (((Shapiro))). Now I don't think E dislikes Shapiro because he's Jewish. After all, he was a Sanders supporter (afaik), who is a Jew. It's just that E keeps shifting the goalposts (like just now he brought up school choice when we weren't even remotely near the subject.)

1. His pro-school choice stance actually resonates with the majority of Americans. I'm a Democrat and I'm personally in favor of school choice. Also I don't even know why we're now on school choice when we were just discussing Israel/Palestine. Its called a COMPARISON..... I'm comparing how much like his longstanding stance on School Choice, his longstanding stance on Palestinians, will only be addressed when it is politically inconvenient for him... And just because he is pro-Israel and he sympathizes with his homeland does not make him racist against Arabs. Just like sympathizing with Palestine does not make you pro-Hamas. You yourself denounced this tactic a while ago. Yet you yourself are now using this same exact "tool" by saying that just because he is pro-Israel he hates Arabs. GENUINE QUESTION: Do you not what I am referring to at all? U should because you specifically stated you knew I am referring to the letter where he says very racist things against Palestinians as him being Anti-Palestinain. And by using Shapiros logic, him supporting Sanctions on Iran is further proof he is Anti-Arab. 2. Beshear and Walz don't necessarily have to say or do the exact same thing Shapiro did. I'm just saying in general. They probably have some sort of skeleton in their closet. It's just a little coincidental that only Shapiro's skeletons get found..... Ok then...they don't have an anti-Arab Problem then? Like what I genuinely don't know what u are going on about? OK, they do not have an Anti-Arab Problem if they have not made Anti-Arab statements... If ur claiming the Media is singling Shapiro out because he is Jewish thats a seperate issue, the media did smear Bernie relentlessly from 2016 to now, even making up skeletons that weren't there, so take that what u will.

@ZT08: I'd recommend you stop wasting your time and engaging with E Pluribus Unum. We all know the reason they dislike (((Shapiro))). ^That Statement above is what those in the legal business call^ LIBEL: a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. -I enthusiastically backed Bernie Sanders for President in 2016 and 2020 -I enthusiastically backed Claudia Sheinbaum's bid to be Mexican President in 2024 -In the 2022 Michigan House District 11 Race I enthusiastically backed Andy Levin -My stances on the Israel Palestine Conflict come directly from Jewish thinkers in the past and present (Meyer London, Ofer Cassif) -I have used my platform to EXPLICITLY DENOUNCE Antisemitism even from the "ALLEGED LEFT" in no uncertain terms, which I have shared here a plenty I am the one who can see Josh as more than his religion or ethnicity I find it sad that users like mg2685a and Kyle still struggle with that. Its the 21st Century guys c'mon..... You kind of did the same thing to me if you think about it by saying that I think racism against Arabs is ok because I said I think people shouldn't be held to something they said 20 years ago. Yet I choose to stick up for you when this person implied you didn't like Shapiro because he was a Jew. I may be young, I may be naive, I may be a lot of things. But one thing I will never be is a racist and I will never judge somebody because of their skin color, ethnicity, sex, gender, or anything of the like. And I wouldn't want anybody to be labeled that way for a stupid reason. 1. His pro-school choice stance actually resonates with the majority of Americans. I'm a Democrat and I'm personally in favor of school choice. Also I don't even know why we're now on school choice when we were just discussing Israel/Palestine. Its called a COMPARISON..... I'm comparing how much like his longstanding stance on School Choice, his longstanding stance on Palestinians, will only be addressed when it is politically inconvenient for him... And just because he is pro-Israel and he sympathizes with his homeland does not make him racist against Arabs. Just like sympathizing with Palestine does not make you pro-Hamas. You yourself denounced this tactic a while ago. Yet you yourself are now using this same exact "tool" by saying that just because he is pro-Israel he hates Arabs. GENUINE QUESTION: Do you not what I am referring to at all? U should because you specifically stated you knew I am referring to the letter where he says very racist things against Palestinians as him being Anti-Palestinain. And by using Shapiros logic, him supporting Sanctions on Iran is further proof he is Anti-Arab. 2. Beshear and Walz don't necessarily have to say or do the exact same thing Shapiro did. I'm just saying in general. They probably have some sort of skeleton in their closet. It's just a little coincidental that only Shapiro's skeletons get found..... Ok then...they don't have an anti-Arab Problem then? Like what I genuinely don't know what u are going on about? OK, they do not have an Anti-Arab Problem if they have not made Anti-Arab statements... If ur claiming the Media is singling Shapiro out because he is Jewish thats a seperate issue, the media did smear Bernie relentlessly from 2016 to now, even making up skeletons that weren't there, so take that what u will. I just mean ANY scandal. Not just limited to things said against Jews or Arabs. As far as I know I don't think either Walz or Beshear have problems with Arabs. And I'm not saying Shapiro is perfect. His logic on sanctioning Iran and Israel is flawed. And the answer to the genuine question is yes, but you were implying that just because he sympathizes with Israel, he hates all Arabs. There are some people in the pro-Israel movement that are bad apples. Just like in every movement. But these bad apples do not represent the entire movement, just like the bad apples in the pro-Palestine movement don't represent their movement. And yeah I also believe it's a bunch of crap what the DNC did to Bernie back in 2016...despite me being on the more corporate/establishment side of the Democrat spectrum.

I think everyone should take a deep breath. Nothing posted here is going to move the needle for or against any of the contenders one iota.

I think everyone should take a deep breath. Nothing posted here is going to move the needle for or against any of the contenders one iota. Yeah, I agree. This conversation just got to 24 posts... Let's all just agree to disagree.

Here I was thinking someone had gotten selected for VP.

Here I was thinking someone had gotten selected for VP. I would've as well lol....I can't believe this all happened all because I said no one deserved to be held for something they wrote over 20 years ago...

I would've as well lol....I can't believe this all happened all because I said no one deserved to be held for something they wrote over 20 years ago... Actually all this happened because I said that it was bad to pick someone on the record saying racist stuff. Shoulda guessed this site would make that controversial But my original statement wasn't a response to anything you or Kyle said. I was just stating my opinion and you responded to MY post accusing me of Islamaphobia. When somebody accuses me of something like that I'm not just going to stand there and not push back. But anyway, I'm not going to bring this any further, after this message this will be at "30 New" which would be the highest amount of new texts I have ever seen. I have agreed to disagree and agreed to move on but it's clear you did not. So, all I have left to say now is, it's almost 9 PM here in Pennsylvania so I wish you a good rest of the night.

But my original statement wasn't a response to anything you or Kyle said. I was just stating my opinion and you responded to MY post accusing me of Islamaphobia. When somebody accuses me of something like that I'm not just going to stand there and not push back. But anyway, I'm not going to bring this any further, after this message this will be at "30 New" which would be the highest amount of new texts I have ever seen. I have agreed to disagree and agreed to move on but it's clear you did not. So, all I have left to say now is, it's almost 9 PM here in Pennsylvania so I wish you a good rest of the night. Again I didn't accuse, I asked a question. I stated and I quote: So, when it's racism against Arabs and Palestinians there's a statute of limitations on when we can call it out?, to which this whole convo has seemingly indicated yes; probably because ur an edgelord who has said some very out of pocket shit somewhere and do not want to be "#CANCELLED" for it down the line. Guy says bad thing when he was 20, has made no indication he has changed: yes that should be disqualifying. Most people try to make that argument for like teenagers, not fucking 20 year olds

Moral of the story: the Vice President should make the pick quickly, so that fences can be mended, the party faithful can be rallied, and/or malcontents can book plane tickets to Chicago.

Here I was thinking someone had gotten selected for VP. Well traditionally the threads with double digit new posts are Jimmy Carter items so I guess she chose him

Would satiate the Pro-Palestinian Base

You know the new posts number is custom for each person, right?

You know the new posts number is custom for each person, right? Oh I didn't know that. Good to know.

will the anonymous sources be better here than the anonymous sources during the Biden road to withdrawal (where some of them got the outcome correct but clearly didn't know when)

Kinda surprised there hasn't been an announcement yet.

Final prediction: I think it'll be Shapiro, but would not be totally shocked if it was Walz either.

I think Shapiro is miles ahead of Walz so I'm interested in why he is still in the mix—Cooper and Shapiro where the real picks if I was in her shoes.

I think Shapiro is miles ahead of Walz so I'm interested in why he is still in the mix—Cooper and Shapiro where the real picks if I was in her shoes. Walz is in the mix because he appears to be the choice of the far-left who don't like Shapiro because he is pro-school choice and pro-Israel. Also Walz (afaik) is the furthest left pick out of all the other potential contenders. And Cooper himself declined to be VP. But yeah, Cooper and Shapiro would also be my top 2.