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AL US President- LBJ on ballot in 1964
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Office | President |
Honorific | President - Abbr: President |
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Filing Deadline | June 01, 1964 - 12:00pm Central |
Polls Open | November 03, 1964 - 06:00am Central |
Polls Close | November 03, 1964 - 08:00pm Central |
Term Start | January 20, 1965 - 12:00pm |
Term End | January 20, 1969 - 12:00pm |
Contributor | AndyRomagnano |
Last Modified | RBH December 03, 2021 04:28pm |
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This is a model of the 1964 Presidential race in Alabama had Lyndon Johnson been permitted to remain on the ballot, and you have to know Alabama politics of the time and operators, but generally in large part derived from looking at the gubernatorial race in 1962, general election for Senate in 1962, the Senate race between Battle and Sparkman in 1954 two years after Sparkman was running mate for Stevenson.
In 1964, Governor Wallace approached Senator Goldwater seeking to be his running mate but was rebuffed, Wallace had been a Truman loyalist in 1948 but generally in 1964 Wallace led the drive to keep LBJ off the ballot and it was about control of the state party.
Both Lyndon and Lady Bird had family roots in Alabama and Lady Bird more substantially as she spent summers there into the 1920's, but basically this is my contention that the Wallace opponents would have joined together to try and deal a defeat to the Governor and in fact many would run saying they were segregationists, but were against Goldwater for whatever reason as this generally is what held Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina etc and Arkansas in 1964 still had strong pro-segregation sentiment and Faubus won another term as Governor but LBJ had the highest percentage for a Democratic presidential nominee in the state since Truman in 1948.
This model shows that generally in that time and throughout most of Alabama history, voter power was weighted to North Alabama, which is why Whigs never ca [More...]
This is a model of the 1964 Presidential race in Alabama had Lyndon Johnson been permitted to remain on the ballot, and you have to know Alabama politics of the time and operators, but generally in large part derived from looking at the gubernatorial race in 1962, general election for Senate in 1962, the Senate race between Battle and Sparkman in 1954 two years after Sparkman was running mate for Stevenson.
In 1964, Governor Wallace approached Senator Goldwater seeking to be his running mate but was rebuffed, Wallace had been a Truman loyalist in 1948 but generally in 1964 Wallace led the drive to keep LBJ off the ballot and it was about control of the state party.
Both Lyndon and Lady Bird had family roots in Alabama and Lady Bird more substantially as she spent summers there into the 1920's, but basically this is my contention that the Wallace opponents would have joined together to try and deal a defeat to the Governor and in fact many would run saying they were segregationists, but were against Goldwater for whatever reason as this generally is what held Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina etc and Arkansas in 1964 still had strong pro-segregation sentiment and Faubus won another term as Governor but LBJ had the highest percentage for a Democratic presidential nominee in the state since Truman in 1948.
This model shows that generally in that time and throughout most of Alabama history, voter power was weighted to North Alabama, which is why Whigs never carried Alabama in any presidential race.
Basically LBJ being permitted on the ballot would have been a defeat for the Governor and I think a number of circumstances would favor LBJ.
Mobile County favored Martin i 1962 but the registrar there began registering African-Americans and they were a third of the vote by 1953 in the city of Mobile but also the fact that former Frank Boykin had been on good terms when he was a Congressman, what would have steered the race in that county was that Brookley AFB was on the BRAC closure list and so there the vote would basically have been an effort to save Brookley and so this race in many ways mimics 1962 Hill-Martin but Mobile County breaks as it does mainly over trying to save the air force base, which was closed in Johnson's elected term.
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D:10314 | AndyRomagnano ( 0.0000 points)
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Sat, November 27, 2021 06:24:25 PM UTC0:00
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I was specifically trying not to have it show up and I thought silly races would cover it. It was the first one I have ever done.
The point was I wanted a map representation of it, and I was specifically trying to make sure I did that, because I know on the account thing is says check if you want to see silly races, and I checked that, so what have I done wrong exactly, as I seriously do not know.....
I was specifically trying not to have it show up and I thought silly races would cover it. It was the first one I have ever done.
The point was I wanted a map representation of it, and I was specifically trying to make sure I did that, because I know on the account thing is says check if you want to see silly races, and I checked that, so what have I done wrong exactly, as I seriously do not know.....
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D:1989 | RBH ( 5260.3276 points)
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Sat, November 27, 2021 10:25:23 PM UTC0:00
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mixing in hypothetical races in a container of real races could sorta confuse people too
there have been containers created on here for other people doing fantasy races to keep it somewhat separate from the real races
mixing in hypothetical races in a container of real races could sorta confuse people too
there have been containers created on here for other people doing fantasy races to keep it somewhat separate from the real races
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Ooo. This is a fun one.
I've often pondered how this race would have played out had Johnson been on the AL ballot.
I still think Goldwater carries Alabama. Though it's far closer between LBJ and Goldwater than Goldwater and "Unpledged Delegates."
Maybe 53-47. The Johnsons may have had family ties to AL, but the Deep South was protesting the Civil Rights Act pretty hard. There wasn't much sympathy vote. I could see Alabama and Mississippi voting differently back then, but I don't Johnson getting Alabama and Goldwater getting Georgia at the same time.
Ooo. This is a fun one.
I've often pondered how this race would have played out had Johnson been on the AL ballot.
I still think Goldwater carries Alabama. Though it's far closer between LBJ and Goldwater than Goldwater and "Unpledged Delegates."
Maybe 53-47. The Johnsons may have had family ties to AL, but the Deep South was protesting the Civil Rights Act pretty hard. There wasn't much sympathy vote. I could see Alabama and Mississippi voting differently back then, but I don't Johnson getting Alabama and Goldwater getting Georgia at the same time.
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D:10314 | AndyRomagnano ( 0.0000 points)
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Tue, November 30, 2021 09:34:23 PM UTC0:00
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I did not realize I was doing that.......how exactly do I fix it, I literally was just trying to get the map of Alabama to do the counties in.
I actually did intend on doing 1948 but I want that answered before any more issues comes up, clearly, I see there is an issue here and wish not a repeat of the unintended error.
I did not realize I was doing that.......how exactly do I fix it, I literally was just trying to get the map of Alabama to do the counties in.
I actually did intend on doing 1948 but I want that answered before any more issues comes up, clearly, I see there is an issue here and wish not a repeat of the unintended error.
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D:10314 | AndyRomagnano ( 0.0000 points)
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Tue, November 30, 2021 09:38:34 PM UTC0:00
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But truthfully, one of the reasons they keep Truman off the ballot was believe it or not.....the fear Dewey could win Alabama and this is also why Harry Byrd kept Truman in Virginia, they held a convention, opposition was expressed to Truman, but then Byrd's own operatives made sure Truman remained nominee in Virginia as he did not want Dewey as President.
Prior to FDR the GOP nominee usually could count on up to a third in Alabama, it was more really other than the Woodrow Wilson years and they feared a Dewey win in the low to mid 30s, Dewey actually might have had more votes percentagewise than he got here, as the outright Democratic split would have reactivated the GOP
You would generally look at Florida, Louisiana, and Tennessee but in Alabama, it was two evenly divided camps and was going to be a fight for the state party.
Thurmond's votes would have primarily come in southern Alabama, Truman's in northern Alabama, Truman probably holds Mobile County, but where Dewey would get a lot of votes would be in the Hoover counties of 1928 and then those counties that long standing had strong GOP performances in the 1920s or generally went for Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, etc
But truthfully, one of the reasons they keep Truman off the ballot was believe it or not.....the fear Dewey could win Alabama and this is also why Harry Byrd kept Truman in Virginia, they held a convention, opposition was expressed to Truman, but then Byrd's own operatives made sure Truman remained nominee in Virginia as he did not want Dewey as President.
Prior to FDR the GOP nominee usually could count on up to a third in Alabama, it was more really other than the Woodrow Wilson years and they feared a Dewey win in the low to mid 30s, Dewey actually might have had more votes percentagewise than he got here, as the outright Democratic split would have reactivated the GOP
You would generally look at Florida, Louisiana, and Tennessee but in Alabama, it was two evenly divided camps and was going to be a fight for the state party.
Thurmond's votes would have primarily come in southern Alabama, Truman's in northern Alabama, Truman probably holds Mobile County, but where Dewey would get a lot of votes would be in the Hoover counties of 1928 and then those counties that long standing had strong GOP performances in the 1920s or generally went for Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, etc
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And of course Winston County, that one historically anti-confederate holdout in north Alabama.
And of course Winston County, that one historically anti-confederate holdout in north Alabama.
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