Honestly this whole issue is just Republicans trying to scapegoat a certain group of people. Since they can't actually address the REAL concerns facing Americans, they have to come up with "problems" to fix. They then have to use these "problems" to incite a sort of fear amongst their base, to keep their base from realizing that the Republicans aren't going to actually help them. Like "THE TRANS PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!" type crap. And clueless establishment corporate Democrats like Newsom fall for it.

I can never get into hating a Minority Group for existing because its the same thing over and over again. Just doing your moat basic historical research shows EVERYTHING stated about Trans people has been used before: Nazis used it against Jews, KKK used it against African Americans, Religious Fundamentalists used it against the LGB. Immigrants, The Irish, Muslims, Hispanics, Indigenous People, Women, Armenians, etc. These are talking points I have seen a million times over. Why? Because its very easy for the rich upper class to trick us plebians to fight amongst ourselves so that they can continue to oppress us. There are less than 100 Trans Athletes in the US Brent, maybe your time would be better spent on REAL problems....

I can never get into hating a Minority Group for existing because its the same thing over and over again. Just doing your moat basic historical research shows EVERYTHING stated about Trans people has been used before: Nazis used it against Jews, KKK used it against African Americans, Religious Fundamentalists used it against the LGB. Immigrants, The Irish, Muslims, Hispanics, Indigenous People, Women, Armenians, etc. These are talking points I have seen a million times over. Why? Because its very easy for the rich upper class to trick us plebians to fight amongst ourselves so that they can continue to oppress us. There are less than 100 Trans Athletes in the US Brent, maybe your time would be better spent on REAL problems.... This tbh PLUS it’s just that hating people for how they’re born is just wrong. My philosophy is to just love everyone. White, Black, Brown, Hispanic, Asian, Jew, Muslim, Guy, Girl, Transgender, Gay, Straight it doesn’t matter. The only real divide is by class. The upper class that has all the power, and the lower class (us) that has little power. That’s the only dividing line that exists. REAL issues we could focus on…….hmmmm……campaign finance reform? Wealth tax? Stricter corporate regulations and anti-trust laws? Minimum wage = living wage? Hmmmm……. But the GOP (and corporate Dems too!) don’t want to address any of that.

False equivalencies, misusing "Nazi" and "Hate" analogies is never gonna win over one voter. Its only going to turn more people away. Newsom and other elected Democrats are waking up to what 70% of Democrats believe and he recognizes that married men aren't the enemy of the Democratic Party. He recognizes that Democrats will need to win over men and married people to win nationally again. Good for him.

We do have power. Its 99% vs 1%. Thats WHY the 1% spends so much time dividing us into our own little percentages that "don't like each other". 13.7% vs.2%, 86.9% vs 13.9%, 7.6% vs 92.4%. Getting that 7.6% to fight amongst themselves. I'd rather focus on the 1% that owns 1/3rd of the wealth and controls the majority of the rest of us. On this issue specifically, I see no net gain on this issue. I base all my political beliefs on simple facts: is there a net positive be it statistically or morally? Medicare for All: More people go to the doctor, nation is healthier, people live longer, it saves us all money. Ending wars: less deaths, more peace around the world, we can focus the money on issues here. Copyright Reform: More Free Expression of art, which leads to a strengthening of our culture. I've asked Brent multiple times to show it, what is the net gain on banning 5 Trans Kids from playing soccer with the rest of their class? All I see is a net negative: you dehumanize and bully them which leads to a rise in depression and suicidality among that demographic.

False equivalencies, misusing "Nazi" and "Hate" analogies is never gonna win over one voter. Its only going to turn more people away. Newsom and other elected Democrats are waking up to what 70% of Democrats believe and he recognizes that married men aren't the enemy of the Democratic Party. He recognizes that Democrats will need to win over men and married people to win nationally again. Good for him. I respectfully disagree. Saying that recognizing that trans people exist does not equal saying that married men are the enemy of the Democratic Party. That is a false equivalency. What we're trying to say is that, there's a pattern, and like the good old quote states, history repeats itself. In the 1800s, the majority of people supported slavery, yet we got it abolished. In the 1900s, the majority of people supported segregation, yet we got it abolished. In the 2000s, the majority of people opposed same-sex marriage legalization, yet we got it legalized. Just because the majority of people support it, doesn't mean it's the right thing. I think we should stand for what's right, not for what's popular at the time.

We do have power. Its 99% vs 1%. Thats WHY the 1% spends so much time dividing us into our own little percentages that "don't like each other". 13.7% vs.2%, 86.9% vs 13.9%, 7.6% vs 92.4%. Getting that 7.6% to fight amongst themselves. I'd rather focus on the 1% that owns 1/3rd of the wealth and controls the majority of the rest of us. Exactly! We have to focus on reducing the power of the 1% so that way society can be more fair and equal, not fighting amongst ourselves. On this issue specifically, I see no net gain on this issue. I base all my political beliefs on simple facts: is there a net positive be it statistically or morally? Medicare for All: More people go to the doctor, nation is healthier, people live longer, it saves us all money. Ending wars: less deaths, more peace around the world, we can focus the money on issues here. Copyright Reform: More Free Expression of art, which leads to a strengthening of our culture. I've asked Brent multiple times to show it, what is the net gain on banning 5 Trans Kids from playing soccer with the rest of their class? All I see is a net negative: you dehumanize and bully them which leads to a rise in depression and suicidality among that demographic. Very fair. I am also pro-Medicare for all and anti-war, though Copyright Reform I never had a position on. Though from checking out your podcast it seems to be something you're big on.

This issue is indicative of a greater flaw within progressive discourse and spaces that is hurting their ability to connect with anybody outside of their umbrella. There's a tendency to identify who the aggrieved party is, oversimplify the story, hold them up as a victim, fast-forward past any wrestling with specifics, and ascribe motives to everyone else that mesh comfortably with the story. This is a complex issue with questions at its root of fairness, equality, and the place of sex-segregated spaces in society. It's not the same as the fight for marriage just because they're part of the same jumble of letters. That was a great victory that came as a result of individuals sharing their stories and relationships with those close to them until it clicked with most of the nation that these were people who were sincerely inviting them in to share their existence and weren't terribly different underneath it all. You can't skip the hard work, vilify the infidels, and expect others to suddenly see the light and come to your side. There needs to be genuine inclusivity here.

False equivalencies, misusing "Nazi" and "Hate" analogies is never gonna win over one voter. Its only going to turn more people away. Newsom and other elected Democrats are waking up to what 70% of Democrats believe and he recognizes that married men aren't the enemy of the Democratic Party. He recognizes that Democrats will need to win over men and married people to win nationally again. Good for him. Bro I LOVE THIS PART OF THE ARGUMENT, where you just choose to completely ignore the point I am making, and run back to your little safe space like the special snowflake you are. I'll just be blunt and say this, the Nazi argument is 100% valid. 1. In the argument that scapegoating and dehumanizing a minority is a common tactic of Reactionaries and 2. Because their position on Trans People is borderline identical to the positions Reactionaries do today. Ignoring and suppressing every single scientific study that shows that the scapegoating of Trans People is wrong, and continually dehumanizing them. Bro a TEXAS LEGISLATOR LITERALLY INTRODUCED A BILL THAT WOULD MAKE IDENTIFYING AS TRANS A FORM A FRAUD, effectively penalizing the act of existing. Huh, I wonder if the Nazis banned certain people from just EXISTING As for the hate argument, yeah that's pretty valid too because you do not give a flying fuck about Trans People Brent. There is literally nothing in any discussion we have had on the issue that makes me think you don't hate Trans People, in fact quite the opposite. You don't want them to go to the bathroom they want, you don't want them to go to play sports if they want, you don't want them to go to be invited into any form of discussion about Trans issues, and you have ignored every single Trans-Related Statistic I have sent that because it doesn't align with your preconceived notions about them. I've not seen a peep from you denouncing that Texas Bill that would ban their existence. How am I supposed to come to any other conclusion? (I say knowing Brent will just ignore as he doesn't like being challenged in any capacity)

This issue is indicative of a greater flaw within progressive discourse and spaces that is hurting their ability to connect with anybody outside of their umbrella. There's a tendency to identify who the aggrieved party is, oversimplify the story, hold them up as a victim, fast-forward past any wrestling with specifics, and ascribe motives to everyone else that mesh comfortably with the story. This is a complex issue with questions at its root of fairness, equality, and the place of sex-segregated spaces in society. It's not the same as the fight for marriage just because they're part of the same jumble of letters. That was a great victory that came as a result of individuals sharing their stories and relationships with those close to them until it clicked with most of the nation that these were people who were sincerely inviting them in to share their existence and weren't terribly different underneath it all. You can't skip the hard work, vilify the infidels, and expect others to suddenly see the light and come to your side. There needs to be genuine inclusivity here. How is excluding trans people genuinely inclusive?

Its not hate. Its your failure to really understand the average person in that 70% of Democrats and 95% of Republicans that oppose boys in girls sports. But the extreme left has always needed to resort to theatrics and exaggerated arguments to try and advance their agenda. If a monster doesn't exist, create it.

Its not hate. Its your failure to really understand the average person in that 70% of Democrats and 95% of Republicans that oppose boys in girls sports. But the extreme left has always needed to resort to theatrics and exaggerated arguments to try and advance their agenda. If a monster doesn't exist, create it. Yeah and George Wallace didn't hate Black People...🙄 Kinda proving my point tenfold with the "Boys in Girls Sports" statement. Dehumanization of them by not respecting their identity. You have not said a single statement that is Pro-Trans NOR one that even treats them as people. So where am I supposed to interpret some kind of hidden Love for them. Tho granted a lot of the biggest Transphobes are also the biggest donors to Trans Womens Onlyfans, so maybe I'm wrong there. Wanna play the numbers game, Fine. According to a Gallup Poll released today: 55% of the US supports the creation of a Palestinian State, 59% of Democrats support Palestine, 42% of Independents also support Palestine. With the average support for Israel dropping fast. So do you agree that the Dems and GOP should wake up and understand the average American and support Palestine over Israel? https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx A 2023 Gallup Poll says 57% of Americans support a Single Payer Healthcare Model, alongside 88% of Dems and 59% of Independents. Do you believe that the parties should adapt their platforms to support said healthcare model? https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx I mean, if your only basing this on logistics....the answer would be a resounding YES...but I know you do not belive that Brent. I know the answer isn't yes....but why Brent? Why are the two statistics I listed above something the Parties SHOULD NOT pursue, but the statistic that let's you make 5 children's lives miserable something they SHOULD?....

This issue has only risen to its level in the national discourse because the Republican Party is using hatred to get votes. They don't actually care about women's sports, and the impact of transgender women on women's sports is very small. That said, there can be an advantage to having gone through male puberty, especially in sports like swimming or volleyball that favor being tall. So it's complicated and not morally equivalent to gay marriage. A blanket ban across all sports and levels of competition is bad policy, but the difference between bad policy and whatever good policy is directly affects a very small number of people. It is obviously a loser issue for Democrats, and dying on this hill could prevent them from achieving other progressive policies that would have far greater impact.

How is excluding trans people genuinely inclusive? They aren't being excluded. The sort of strategy I was attempting to describe before is inclusive of more people and their perspectives and experiences. It may come as a surprise that even amongst trans people there's a range of opinions on how to approach these sports and sex-segregated spaces concerns.

They aren't being excluded. The sort of strategy I was attempting to describe before is inclusive of more people and their perspectives and experiences. It may come as a surprise that even amongst trans people there's a range of opinions on how to approach these sports and sex-segregated spaces concerns. Replace Trans with Black and remove the word Sex and the argument sounds like it could come from Southerners in 1960. I follow the data for a good 90% of my beleifs, and the data just shows this is pretty open and shut. Trans Athletes DON'T have an advantage in Sports https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2024/04/10/bjsports-2023-108029 Nor are Trans Athletes even common enough to make a big issue in the field of Athletics. https://www.kget.com/sports/ncaa-president-says-there-are-less-than-10-transgender-athletes-in-college-sports/ I've not seen a single person show me this mystical "complexity" that people seem to say is out there. And I was a guy who didn't know much about the issue, so I decided to LEARN about it. All I have seen is VIBES that people have against Trans People based on their own personal biases, usually based on religion and not something based in reality. How do you expect Trans people to join in civil discussion with the same people who literally want to make their EXISTENCE "Fraud"? And then you have people like Brent who have dismissed Trans people and their considerations being involved in the argument period. Hot Take: Human Rights aren't negotiable.

Trans Athletes DON'T have an advantage in Sports The study you link to addresses strength, power, and aerobic capacity among those who have made hormonal transition. This study addresses the cases like where college athletes professed to be scared of a trans woman hitting a volleyball harder than cis women, but those fears appear to be overblown (and probably insincere to begin with). The study does not address height, which is basically a mathematical advantage in some sports. Lia Thomas was higher ranked as a female swimmer than she was before her transition, and being unusually tall for a woman no doubt contributed to much of the difference. I don't know whether the advantage is "unfair", but it is an advantage. The other scenario not addressed by the study is exemplified by the track meet results from Oregon that made the news. The official policy in Oregon (one can participate as a girl if one declares themselves female) does no favors to either cis females or trans females since that means someone hormonally male can compete against females. That is obviously unfair and confers illegitimacy upon events with trans women.